"It won't be long now."
To which my father replied:
"That's what the Moyle said." (A "Moyle" conducts the surgery to remove the foreskin in the Jewish circumcision ritual known as a Briss.)
As far as I know, it was the last thing my father said. Gotta admire a guy who can crack a joke in that circumstance.
"It won't be long now".
Change happens more slowly than most of us expect (with the exception of how we age), and if the rate of change is slow enough, it appears to us as if everything is "normal" - that there wasn't much change.
If I could load you into a time capsule and head back to June of 2004 and then blink you back to today I bet you would notice a big change. If I do it over 5 years... yawn....
"It won't be long now."
The next 5 years, and while I think the rate of change will accelerate, will be no different. You will come to view 2014 as the new "normal".
But what will "change" over that time period? Will there be an abrupt "change"? A nuclear explosion on the Korean peninsula? Or in the Gulf? A complete dislocation from a currency collapse? Perhaps, but probably not (unless it does). These are low probability/high consequence events. They can happen, but are unlikely - at least individually. That one of these might occur.... well the probability is somewhat higher.
No, we are more likely to muddle through, with industrial civilization grinding along at a slower, and slower, and slower clip... but 5 years from now, that "slower clip" is going to be significantly slower, especially per capita, for folks in the West, and America in particular.
Imports of Oil into the U.S. have already declined over 10%. Forget the price; think physics. Is it possible to get as much "work" done with 10% less Oil? NAFC. In 5 years the decline, peak to trough, will be more like 30% to 50%. If you think the Auto industry is hurting now, just wait until there is not enough fuel to wear out our cars.
Now, think home prices, and their effects on the banking system. Homes far from employment centers will be abandoned as WORTHLESS. You don't gain by foreclosing worthless properties. I could go on and on on the effects PO will have on sprawl, but you guys know the drill. But the concomitant effects on banking, retail, services, etc... are going to be surreal.
Of course, all of this is tremendously deflationary... but not to worry... the U.S. Budget Deficit is going to more than make up for that.
"Won't be long now."
The economy might be bad now, and it might even improve for a few months here and there, but in 5 years economic output is going to be down - BIG. There will be winners and losers. The Leftist PO crowd is out of their collective MIND in thinking that Americans are going to cooperate in huge, politically correct, eco-villages of enlightened former trust fund brats. Nope, people are going to compete - for sexual partners, for material goods, for land, for political influence - just as we did during Medieval England, Roman Europe, and North Africa's Egyptian empires. Some of that competition is going to come from some rather unpleasant, non community minded, individuals and groups (MS-13, Russian Mob, La Cosa Nostra, and former police and torture authorities come to mind).
And it "won't be long now".
Could the U.S. plant wind mills and harvest Natural Gas quick enough to offset the decline in Oil imports? It is not impossible, but the probability is low. That would require, intelligent, cost effective, not influenced by special interest groups, rational government - have you EVER seen any of that?
It really "won't be long now."
Unemployment, Shlemployment! What matters is the earnings of the small business owner, and he has NEVER been calculated into the unemployment picture, and those earnings have gone over a cliff and ain't anywhere close to bottom. Meineke Mufflers, Drive thru Dunkin Donuts, Jiffy Lube Oil Change, etc... there are MILLIONS of these types of businesses, and they are going to go down over the next 5 years like a ROCK IN A POND (much like the car dealers over the last several months).
People will drive less, get in fewer car crashes... not good for insurers or lawyers. Eat less drive thru fast food... not good for Jenny Craig... Have less and make less money... not good for Tax revenues.
When "won't be long now" happen? Soon. Very soon.
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I've mentioned this before, so I'll keep it brief. All the adversity caused by peak oil has another factor no one adds in: the colossal waste of energy in today's modern society. Last night, I drive 25 miles and back to babysit my niece and nephew. It was nice to do that. I enjoyed it. But it was hardly a necessary use of the E85 (ethanol) I burned in my car to get there and back. People burn/use HUGE amounts of oil and natural gas today that is essentially wasted or unnecessary. I'd say that figure is around 50% of all energy burned/used is wasted. It could be a very long time before we hit rock bottom if we stopped the waste.
Bureacrat,
That is the point exactly! You do these things that are not needed. Well, most of our society is that way, which IS our economy. So when you stop driving to babysit it maybe for no other reason then your sis/bro no longer goes out to eat/watch movie/vacation etc. and the unwind continues. I have winessed numerous eateries, gas stations, etc. close this year alone. Tell them about waste.
Bureaucrat:
Anon got my point. The non-government economy, such as it is, is really going to miss you driving to your niece's house, and wearing out your tires, and stopping at the local diner, and picking up a movie while you are out...
We all just saw what happened to the car dealers. Well, the muffler, brake, oil change, and donut shops,etc... are next. They employ a lot of people, and their owners pay a lot of payroll and income tax, and they will be paying much less over the next 5 years.
Someone I know hasn't paid their mortagage in 6 months. They have yet to recieve a phone call or letter saying "pay up". So actually the foreclosure rate must be higher than we know, banks are keeping deadbeats on paper, so they won't have to write them off.
If a good real estate agent can help grease the wheels and get your offer in front of a lender, you can get an answer more quickly, and potentially close more deals.
Wow thanks Peter, I guess we're all saved then :D
G:
Anecdotal. Was at a fundraising dinner the other night in NYC for my daughter's nursery school. acouple of things:
1. Take for the night was down 25% YOY. This is the UWS. One of the Epicenters for the FIRE economy.
2. Good friends of ours were being honored. The wife's family owns and operates a major midwestern grocer. They also retail mucho gasolina. The woman's Dad was there. He is an ace RBOB trader. I have a good relationship and dialogue with the guy. As shrewd as they come. He would feel totally at home in these fora. Anywhooo....he was telling me how bad business is. IN groceries. The family has been in business almost 90 years. He is seeing declines in catergories that have never declined by volume. He told me one of the major branded "staples" manufacturers commissioned a study to find out why volumes fell off a cliff. And why chanel stuffing did not work last fall. The answer: people are only covering half the toothbrush, the laundry gets just as clean with 1/3 the detergent and get this--using fewer sheets when they wipe. This ain't no cyclical downturn.
3. The aforementioned gentlemen knows his business is a dead man walking. Even though they own a lot of their real estate, are really good operators and have no debt. He has an organic farm ecompassing thousands of acres. The production is on a tiny fraction of the land because most of it is sitting on top of the marcellus. He told me he is waiting for $5,000 to lease it. Ah the rich get richer. He sees the writing on the wall and his family is oblivious.
FWIW.
Lenny D.
Lenny:
"people are only covering half the toothbrush, the laundry gets just as clean with 1/3 the detergent and get this--using fewer sheets when they wipe. This ain't no cyclical downturn."
I LOVE it. I had not considered all of the ways people will save and conserve... that is PRICELESS.
My brother is in the grocery/gasoline/C-store biz... I gotta send him that.
Thanks
My grandmother, clear into the 1980s, washed out and reused the plastic bags from loaves of bread. She never wasted ANYTHING. Depression mentality. This is a good thing. Here we go again.
The present administration acknowledges nothing about the energy crisis beyond encouraging conservation. As if there is a choice since supply is diminishing. I'm not saying that previous administrations or congresses have done anything better, but this bunch is a real comedy show.
They fuss about global warming as the sources of carbon are depleted. That is so much yesterday's problem. Today' problem is replacing the energy that is no longer available. We are in the midst of possibly the biggest economic dislocation ever. For every solution there is a government weenie appointed to prevent it. Nero fiddled.
It is so sad to watch.
Regards,
Coal Guy
Coal Guy:
I shopt at places like "Bud's Salvage" and "House of Bargains" here in Lebanon, TN.
I know my poor wife just cringes when I do, but I really don't think 2009 glucosamine is worth $19.00 when I can get 2008 for $1.50.
I recently stopped order Iced Tea when I eat out and instead order water after I figured I was spendng $1,000 per year on Iced Tea - and I am reasonably well to do. What are folks that are broke going to do?
"The Leftist PO crowd is out of their collective MIND in thinking that Americans are going to cooperate in huge, politically correct, eco-villages of enlightened former trust fund brats. ... Some of that competition is going to come from some rather unpleasant, non community minded, individuals and groups (MS-13, Russian Mob, La Cosa Nostra, and former police and torture authorities come to mind)."
Anyone thought of what a large number of battle hardened unemployed returning vets with first hand experience of a society that has broken down will get up to? Not saying that they are trouble for sure but given the lack of other opportunities and the unwinding of society.... I seem to recall a couple of motorcycle clubs that that were formed by guys that came back from WWII.
The battlehardened Vets from WWI had their butts kicked by the active duty US Army on the Mall in 1932.
It would happen the same way again.
The frugality of the 30's is actually quite within memory for many.
My aunt used to wash her dishes by hand in carefully measured 2" of water in the sink and exactly 1 capful of detergent.
When visiting we did the same and hated it...but we did it.
The real mystery question is: can there be a steady state economy or does it have to always grow to exist?
I didn't say that society will totally break down.
Society existed in the 1920's thru 1970's... and La Cosa Nostra absolutely RAN New York and Chicago - ever hear of John Gotti or Al Cappone? That sort of element would dominate places like NYC, LA, and Chicago, but I don't think it would fly in the South - folks here are armed to the TEETH and would look forward to a go of it.
Society ain't "breaking down" completely. In order for theLeft's silly dreams to be realized said breakdown would have to occur - I was pointing out that there are too many guys who would aspire to "War Lord" for the Left's vision to come to fruition.
thanks for sharing.......
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