Any of you Lefties wanna place a gentleman's wager with me (to benefit the charity of choice of the winner)?
Well, he is going to be Obama's pick, too.
So much for change you can deceive yourself with!
Mentatt
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I was an Obama supporter. I gave $$ to Obama's campaign. And I've been disappointed so far with the handling of the economic downtown (that he 100% inherited). However, this guy is a lawyer. This guy believes bringing people together is the only way to solve big problems. He keeps mentioning Lincoln all the time, and how he was going to study how Lincoln governed. One thing Lincoln did do was fire generals who weren't winning the Civil War. I think Obama is comfortable enough now to know when it is time to "try something else." If Obama believes inflating is pretty much the only way to keep the economy going, he'll keep Bernanke. If not, I don't put it past Obama to fire Bernanke and get someone else. Keeping people way too long was Bush's MO, a la Rumsfeld.
The house may still be burning, but make no mistakes, Bush is the one who struck the match.
Just because Obama is perpetuating the same system as Bush, it doesn't mean that Bush did a good job or absolve Bush of responsibility for the debt he created or the unnecessary war that he started.
Obama (whom I did not vote for and do not like)perhaps inherited the worst set of circumstances of any US president. Nixon?
If you read the progressive blogs, you would know that most were writing in 2008 that many would be disappointed at how conservatarian status quo Obama would govern.
Firedog Lake and Jane Hamsher have a whole thing going on defeating the supplemental spending bill for Afghanistan because it includes funding for the IMF which they consider a European bankster bailout.
And that is even with Weasel Lieberman's Torture Evidence Suppression amendment removed.
It's not as simple as you make out.
And GWB, who I bet you voted for (that's ok, we all make mistakes, my first vote was for Tricky Dick)is still an ignorant f--k who did enormous damage to the country.
Obama is at least smarter and has only been in office 5 months. Where was GWB at 5 months?...ignoring terrorism because it was Klinton's thing, whacking off on Jesus, drugs and child porn and how to bring Texas oil back into the money.
Helicopter Ben's magic may actually soften the crash. Hard to tell what any other guy would have done.
Ultimately, We the People are all at fault. It's the down side of hyper individuality and narcissism.
Anon:
Ha! Very good.
I am no fan of GWB and his war, as I am no fan of any scion of the establishment, and that would mean GWB.
My "simple" point was that GWB was NOT the boogey man the Left painted his as, but I absolutely admire the operatives that got that done on a professional basis.
Presidents do NOT have the power most Americans believe and that candidates and sitting presidents like to project. Nor is there that much difference between the two most strikingly different presidents to swap spots in well over 100 years.
GWB did not cause the world wide housing crisis, or the deficit or any of the other myriad disasters the Left has so brilliantly marketed as his. Not defending him, that is merely my analysis.
The fact the the Left cannot let him go... shows how truly powerless this administration is as well in solving these issues.
We are in a bad spot from a societal point of view. We have a huge portion of the population believing, as Kuntsler famously said, "that they can get something for nothing". Collectively we have addicted these people to services that are very much unsustainable.
The Left AND the Right continue to argue a multitude of silly and unimportant issues to gain political advantage and to motivate their individual "choirs", choirs that no longer need preaching.
RE: The Jesus thing and GWB...
I am as secular as you get (and that is all I am willing to say on the matter about myself), that does not change the fact that there are MILLIONS of very, very, very religious (scary) people living in America, particularly in the South. These people are VERY different than people in New York and California - almost a "nation unto themselves". I am not willing to label them all wrong and me right, and they are not going to let you and your minions do it, either.
When oh when are people going to wakeup and realize the Obama owns what is going on? He has more than doubled the fed deficit and it has only been 5 months. He is completely taking over all public education in the US. Our farmers are going to be told what they can plant and when. Our ranchers are going to be taxed on cows, pigs, lamb to the point when will have milk shortages. Every single one of his picks for his cabinet and now the supreme court would never have been confirmed under any other president.
Oh, lets not get started on all of the bailouts and nationalize of companies that is going on. The stock and bond markets is being completely manipulated. And then there is healthcare. Where do you want to start on that one?
Do you realize that the GDP by Fed tax receipts is down in the 8.3 trillion range and falling? The real unemployment numbers are over 20% by shadow stats. And so what do we get? Lots of new taxes! a VAT that will add an estimated 25 to 35% increase in all products and services in the US.
And then there is Oil. that little commodity that is about the go back up to the $100 to $150 range by the end of summer and upward of $250 by the end of the year.
And finally we have a White House that will resort to intimidation and threats whenever anyone speaks out.
I could keep going because he keeps doing things like directly taking over the senses, firing the I.G. because he found that the I.G. was going to bring charges against his one of Cronies. He also is trying to take our children and put them in youth brigades.
So I guess we can all sit back and keep blaming GWB for this mess and keep giving Obama a free pass to keep working his social agenda and not worry about the economy because if we really made progress on solving the problem he would not has an emergency to push through his agenda.
Dear anon at 11:28:
I'll take the other side of your oil trade...
At least for 2009
Somebody don't like Obama. :) This IS George Bush's depression. He started in 2000 with a $5 trillion in Federal debt and left at $10 trillion in debt. He suppressed all the Federal (and state) regulators that would have stopped the financial shenanigans from happening. He wasn't alone (Mr. Frank and Mr. Dodd come to mind), but the Republicans knew with that fleabrain in charge that they could all loot the middle class, which they did. I have my probs with Obama, but this is at its base a Hoover/Bush depression - no doubt.
G:
Two sides if the same coin. And for my money, Berskanke is gone. Berskane says he won't monetizet the debt. For the moment, I amt aking him at his word. They need someone who will GET with the program.
GWB was horrible. This guy is just as bad. He just gets better press. I mean, I remember how it was Bush's recession in June 2001. Just saying.
Lenny D
Folks:
I think you are overly manipulated my the media. PRESIDENTS, and that would include Bush, DO NOT have the power to make or break economies! There is no more to it.
Bush held back STATE regulators? WTF?
Listen to yourself. Stop reading the NY TImes, it is fucking with your ability to think.
Lassie could be President. The executive BRANCH is one big f*cking operation, and it is only 1 operation in a very complex system.
The Executive Branch ain't that complicated. There are 7,000+ "Schedule C" political appointees who ultimately manage the work of the 2,000,000 Federal civil service people like me. I've had several instances where routine government work was shut down by civil service manager on the orders of a political appointee. If Bush wanted to hold off all the bank regulators in Treasury, Comptroller of the Currency, FDIC and whoever oversees the thrifts now, it is very easy to make that happen. Further, Bush had the Justice Department sue the states when the state bank regulators saw these toxic loans for what they were, and they tried to stop them. It is very easy for the White House to shut down anything, cause all the bosses over me will follow the appointees' orders.
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