Thursday, July 22, 2010

If We Repeat an Untruth often enough...

In some bizarre fashion the idea that if we repeat an untruth over and over and over again and get enough people to believe that it is truth... it becomes truth.

Isn't this the very definition of propaganda?

Please read this excellent article, though the article is NOT excellent because of its accuracy or potential... but because it gives the lie to most of what people believe simply because we have said it over and over again.

Let begin by saying that I do not take exception whatsoever and in the extreme with the premise that we in the West, and America in particular, need to save more. So far, accurate and truthful (it always helps to mix in a little bit of truth with your propaganda). But let me break out my calculator, my brain, and my understanding of e (in both directions... things can grow AND contract).

The comparison is to a time when workers received pension benefits from a corporation (as many government employees now do, but just give me a minute) thus removing them from the responsibility of providing for themselves... and then how the corporations and non-profits went over to 401k and 403b savings plans with the onus on the individual and not the operating entity. You know what you NEVER see in these articles? You never see any mention of WHY.

Every actuary on the planet knows why, but somehow every reporter and every politician just can't seem to grasp it. The old corporate pension system has, or had, the exact same mathematical liability (certainty) that Medicare and Social Security system has. They are all, ALL, pyramid schemes... and all, ALL pyramid schemes eventually collapse as the supply of new contributors cannot grow exponentially indefinitely. PERIOD. Every numerate person on the planet knows that anything growing exponentially will grow to infinity... and since it is not possible for the supply of new workers/contributors to grow to infinity each and every Ponzi/Madoff scheme - be it Medicare, Social Security, the old Corporate Pension system, the current public employee pension system - will absolutely, positively collapse at the point when the distributions overtake the the contributions with a slight lag time.

The problem is that 96.435% (my own estimate) of the American electorate are innumerate (with 100% of the Left, the Media, Liberals, Socialists, either being innumerate OR really, really devious). This is not true of the Actuaries running the Corporate pension systems. They saw this MILES away and YEARS ago (not that it was hard to see), and so they lobbied for the 401k and 403b legislation... and here we are.

Note to you Lefties... this is NOT up for debate. This is not an opinion. These are the mathematical, social, and political facts. You can argue over the motivations and interpretations if you like, but as the Late, Great Senator Daniel Moynihan famously said: "everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts".

With me so far?

Now, let me turn my calculator on you Right Wingers. This passage is from the article and the math is accurate:

Here's more bad news: Just saving a lot isn't going to be enough. Let's say you're 30 years from retiring, you earn $100,000 now and you guess that your income will go up by about 3 percent a year. Even if you earmark 10 percent of every paycheck for your retirement and your employer adds another 5 percent, you'll have set aside only about $713,000 by the time you stop working. That's half of what you'll need for that $50,000 annual income.

To live comfortably in retirement, whatever you save has to grow -- and its growth has to beat inflation by at least a percent or two. Here's where time is your ally. Take the example above, where you're earning $100,000 a year: That first $10,000 you set aside in 2010 will have become more than $30,000 in 2040 if it grows by 4 percent each year. If it grows by 6 percent, you'll have more than $50,000. And whatever your employer put in will have tripled or quintupled as well.
In order for folks to meet their own expectations, the expectations that were created during the early stages of the pension Ponzi scheme, they will, by mathematical NECESSITY, need to save roughly 25% of their lifetime's income for use during their later years... or in other words, each and every household in America would, in that scenario, have a net worth of $1.5 million at a minimum. Anybody care to guess what the average American household's net worth is RIGHT NOW? Less than 10% of that figure. (The top 25% hold over $1.5 million is assets on average, with a BIG chunk of that their home and home don't count toward retirement income) but that is not the correct measure... MEAN would be the correct measure - but even if you went with average 75% of the people do NOT make the cut... and by a long shot).

(Yes, I know the wealth distribution knuckleheads think that all we'd have to do is redistribute wealth and "problem solved" - besides suffering from the fallacy of misplaced concreteness those folks do not consider the unintended consequences of their proposed policy. Then again, what idealistic teenager ever does?)

Even if it were possible for everyone to save $1.5 million over the course of a life time... or forget it... its NOT POSSIBLE. Average family income is just over $60,000. Either GDP has to quickly triple, with all of that outcome's concomitant effects on food, water, the environment, politics, international impacts, etc... (and by saving so much - keep in mind the "paradox of thrift" - I can guarantee that it would not happen for a generation or 2 in any event).

Sooooooo.....

Why is this drum being beaten in every corner of the realm? In order for the 2 headed one party system to continue to engage in the "Blame Game". Though there are PLENTY of people that have figured this out and have lived their lives accordingly, the vast majority is easily swayed by the silly machinations of The Powers That Be.

As I repeat ad nauseum... there is no "solution" for impossible expectations, absurd belief systems, and innumerate electorates... just more hot air, anger, blame, and hate.



18 comments:

Anonymous said...

I just see fiscal policies and the irrational debt ridden lifestyles as inter-generational tyranny. So our children are left a planet with devastated ecosystems, expensive hard to get oil, government's that are even more insolvent, the prospect of terminal high unemployment, food/water insecurity in many areas etc etc.

The reason your title is so telling, because its a psychological fact. Marketers both of consumables and political types use simplistic symbols and repetitive messaging to fool the foolish. Large percentages of people still believe that Iraqi's attacked us on 9/11 for example, when most were Saudi's and Paki's--our pseudo buddy countries.

The TV is truly just a propoganda machine with even cartoons being advertisements, and purposefully using quick flashing imaging in most of them--which has shown to have a slight hypnotic effect helping children to use the 'nag' factor which marketers are well aware of to get parents to buy them things such as MCD's or some plastic piece of garbage from China.

With a broken culture, with no sense of morality beyond 'me-ism' devoid of personal responsibility attached to it--we won't solve any big problems, purely from a top-down approach. The problem as I see it is the bottom up approach isn't working either, complaining may have its place--but its not adaptive action. If whining is all the parties and people do, it serve no purpose beyond reinforcing their own victim-identity and perpetuating learned helplessness. Both parties manipulate via this structure, its just a simplistic psychological game--but an effective one overall. Passivity and sheep like behavior is what passes as being a good 'citizen' now a-days.

The Lib's see some real problems, they just believe that they know better or can actually fix things, when its apparent that even if good intentioned the more Corporate feudalism is allowed to reign--the more ways a handful of people find levers of power by the huge nanny Gov't.

The ingenuity gap and the upside of down by T.H.Dixon are both excellent books that follow Tainter's ideas of diminished returns upon complexity. I'm a big fan of redundancies, something the military is fond of--we have a highly coupled system with no limited resiliency built into it.

Irrational optimism is what you see, most people I talk to have this magical thinking--but it serves it purpose to help with delusions and denial--and as Bur is fond of pointing out, there are chips and gas at the corner stores, so everything is fine...

-Meiyo

bureaucrat said...

Eh, blame isn't so bad. As George Will has said, good old fashioned "shame" (driven by accusations of bad living) can do wonders.

1) The problems of the past are clear: an asset bubble/debt orgy that leaves us with nothing to do except blame everyone in sight (I guess we should have seen this coming). "They talked and talked and talked, but no one could stop the avalanche." (The Road Warrior)

2) Nearly ZERO preparation for the 78 million baby boomers that started retiring in 2008. We have nothing saved, both the governmently nor personally.

3) Peak Oil, etc

4) The pension systems depended on businesses staying in business forever to pay the benefits, which was delusional from the beginning. Nothing wrong with 401ks, but they need a MUCH bigger match.

5) The pension benefits can be way-overly generous (if things work out properly, at age 57, I will retire from Obamaland with 35% of my income as a pension, plus you add to that my 401k (called the TSP in the Fed. govt.) and my IRA and other savings. I'm supposed to gonna get $10,000 a month, some of it tax free! That makes no sense on any balance sheet, but I thank you all for funding it. :)

6) You are forgetting a LOT of money is moved to people via inheritance ($10 trillion for the baby boomers is the last guess I read). I'm scheduled to get tens of thousands from one side of the family eventually. Don't forget money also gets passed down, Jeffers.

7) You still are in denial about how cushy the rich have had it in this country the last 10 years. Artificially low taxes and Congress in their hip pocket ... we'd have to call the rich "retarded" if they DIDN'T make out like a bandit the last 10 years.

Anonymous said...

Bur-

You are mixed up about the relationship between money and real wealth. Paper currency is NOT real wealth and no longer represents real wealth. Just look at the Fed- they are willing and able to create One Trillion Dollaros and transfer all of it to money center banks in total of 20 minutes with just a few keystrokes.

All of your 401k and pensions will be worthless- not matter how many zeros show on your account statement. And you will not be collecting 35% of your Fedgov salary to perpetuity.

You may inherit many millions of dollaros at some point but they will be worthless because the relationship between the dollaro and real physical wealth has long been broken. Likewise for many other global currencies but the dollar will leave the biggest blackest crater when it finally implodes in the next few years.

We are in the process of the greatest geopolitical collapse in history as wealth and power has left the west and is now centering in the East.

Your pension is toilet paper. Soon to be thoroughly used toilet paper.

Cheers,
Marshall

Anonymous said...

Also- note the relationship between the size of the financial sector in the US in years past and to present. Average size of finance in the US economy was approximately 9% of GDP for most of US history. It is now around 42% of US GDP.

Beyond it's capital allocation and organizing function, the financial sector is a non-productive vampire on the US economy.

Note that the 6X massive expansion of this non-productive financial "industry" is reflected in 10/1 ratio of virtual "wealth" to real wealth ie resources and productive activity.

Cheers,
Marshall

bureaucrat said...

Marshall, if dollars aren't worth anything, I will gladly take yours off your hands for you if you like.

No?

Yeah, I thought so. :)

Anonymous said...

Yeah that article is laughable. With massive numbers of new college students unemployed, or employed in areas outside their 'profession' (fast food etc.) and people of my age bracket (under 40's) struggling as well with stagnant wages, underemployment and unemployment (especially men). It's hard to imagine people saving much money, even if they wanted to at this point. And you rightly point out the 'paradox of thrift' which is a key issue in why I think things will get worse this decade, besides monetary policy/end of cheap oil and the like.

Maybe Van's will make a comeback--you can deck them out and use them like a camper to live in? Stocks are booming up as we speak though, since the lemmings are desperate for good news....Good thing they US is so lousy at math, it really helps with the irrational exuberance.
-Meiyo

Anonymous said...

Consider your savings to be some percentage ownership of the national wealth at the time you retire. This isn't exactly true, but if your bundle is in a 401k, its pretty well spread. I don't think it's an accident that all the 401k investment options go up and down in lockstep. But, I digress...

When the there is 3% GDP growth, the size of the economy doubles about every 23 years. If you work for 40 years, that first chunk you bought is worth between 3X and 4X what you put in, all things being equal. If the economy shrinks at 3% per year that first savings will be worth 1/3 to 1/4. All the plans talk about 7% or 8% or 9% growth, but it is really hard for me to see how the value of aggregate savings can grow faster than the GDP. If anyone can shed light on this I'd like an explanation.

Real economic growth (growth in productive capacity) stopped sometime in the seventies. It was replaced by the credit bubble as a source of money to drive consumption and maintain the aura of prosperity. That has run out too. The slice of the pie that each of us has bought is not nearly as big as we are led to believe. We'll find out in the next few years what the value really is.

Regards,

Coal Guy.

Anonymous said...

Coalguy-

USA has offshored most of our basic industry and industrial jobs in the last 30 years. We don't make anything that the world wants to buy anymore- certainly not any more paper time bombs from GS and Wall Street.

We are mostly depleted in terms of natural resources and are relying on a 12,000 mile long supply line to Africa and the ME for our basic national life blood. Plus the low net energy Canadian tar sands of course. Our rivals in Asia spend a lot of time figuring our how to route all that oil to the East. Think Asian engineers vs US financial paper innovators.

We are dependent on another 12,000 mile long supply line to Asia for most of our basic and essential products(think medical equipment, infrastructure essentials, car & truck parts etc).

We are involved in massive military commitments that dwarf those commitments that sank the USSR(remember Afgan/USSR war) and that we cannot get out of. These are bleeding us to death and our politicos keep raising the stakes.

The US Dollar is under daily attack around the world and probably will not survive the next major financial crisis. Note that GS was further restricted from Euro operations in the last few days.

Export Land Model projects that outside of Chindia, that available oil exports to ROW will be depleted by 2019. Think what happens if the USA loses 10 million bbls/day by 2019 and shrinking. Note that US infrastructure is undergoing massive deterioration even while we are still flowing nearly 20 million bbls/day to US shores.

I am wondering how this translates into any kind of solid investment returns as we go forward into the 2020s????

Cheers,
Marshall

PS Bur- you really don't get it do you?

A Quaker in a Strange Land said...

Marshall:

One small point...

"USA has offshored most of our basic industry and industrial jobs in the last 30 years. We don't make anything that the world wants to buy anymore- "

These "jobs" were temporarily on-shored, if you will, because WWII destroyed the productive capacity of the ROW. The "off-shoring" you are speaking of was merely a reversion to mean that someone stocked into a "Blame Game" in order to make political gains.

PioneerPreppy said...

Seems to me the whole financial/industrial thing will be moot once oil declines to the point of putting a stop to just in time inventories.

The dollar falls, the dollar rises. Stock values fall etc etc. But a few things retain their real value overall like farm land, gold, silver.

Look at Cuba after the Soviet Union pulled it's oil deliveries. Agriculture will be forced to become localized like it did there and that will change the whole outlook on what wealth really is.

The real speculation is what else will be valuable or financially stable in the years to come? Figure that out and realize your not gonna get any social security money while you save up enough to get your own chunk of land and you maybe OK when it all comes together.

Count on social security, pensions that require other peoples money or dividends from companies that will not be able to adapt and you maybe in trouble.

Most all retirement/pensions etc require growth and growth requires oil in it's current configuration. So plan accordingly is just my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Greg

You are right that the ROW was leveled after WW2 while USA dominated the world and was a force for good in most respects.

Here is a great interview on Max Keiser blog with Gregor MacDonald who is a noted energy/peak oil commentator. Check out previous interview with Max.

http://maxkeiser.com/2010/07/22/kr62-keiser-report-markets-finance-hollow-men/

Macdonald talks about lack of understanding of energy role among economists, Saudi reserves, world peak, etc.

Best,
Marshall

A Quaker in a Strange Land said...

Also...

"Beyond it's capital allocation and organizing function, the financial sector is a non-productive vampire on the US economy."

That is not true in an environment where the U.S. exports its financial services - and it most certainly does.

Further, in the absence of a secondary market who would invest money at the aggregation level?

Anonymous said...

Marshall,

It looks pretty bleak. I'd expect that at some point China will nationalize all US investment when it decides that its Treasuries are losing value. At the same time, they will invade Taiwan. The geopolitical impacts of all of this are still to be seen. None of them good for us in the short run. If China tags us, well have to default and rebuild. Probably for the better.

Regards,

Coal Guy.

Anonymous said...

As a corollary Greg's question:

If 200,000,000 people like a bad idea, does that make it a good idea?

Regards,

Coal Guy

bureaucrat said...

Where's my worthless dollars? ;)

A Quaker in a Strange Land said...

Marshall @ 11:03am:

The rest of your commentary is spot on and irrefutable. I do not have an answer for our dual 12,000 mile supply line... eventually they will crack, even talking about that will make one appear a cook, but we all know that it will happen.

Investment into the 2020's? For now, deflation continues to rule, if the bond market makes any sense at all... at some point, deflation will give way to the issues that the US$ does face - just not yet.

Since I firmly believe there is NO MACRO SOLUTION, I approach this from "ME and MINE"... not politically popular, but the most sensible approach given the original assertion.

There will be an equity market, a bond market, a currency market etc... before, during, and after the upheaval. There will also be a land market, a commodity market, food prices, etc... what they look like and how they price is another issue altogether.

A Quaker in a Strange Land said...

Bur:

You continue to post taunts and to seek argument without merit. Please stop. You are not helping the conversation by doing this.

A Quaker in a Strange Land said...

Marshall et al:

I really do think that a intense concentration on enjoying one's life is in order. If, as I assert, most of the American dream that I described is unattainable by 90 to 95% of the families... why bother?

I really enjoyed my day today... I awoke early and got to work outside around 5:30am because the summer heat in Tennessee makes outside work unpleasant in the summer. Came into a beautiful breakfast of eggs, potatoes, bacon and fruit... all grown on the farm. I particularly like fresh, as in right out of our cow, cream in my coffee. Played with the kids before pre-school (my oldest is in Europe) and then spent the morning reading... a beautiful lunch of farm chicken, and farm raised grass fed beef for dinner with a glass of wine and ice cream.

I get away with this life of leisure NOT because I am all that wealthy BUT because I live in a small house - inexpensive to maintain, cool, heat... and I live in a region where my property taxes are essentially ZERO (of course, I have no sewage service, we use septic, and I have no garbage service, I have to drive the garbage to town... but I don't have to pay for the municipal workers' pensions, either), I drive a 1997 truck, milk my own cow, my eggs come from free range chicken, I slaughter my own meat, and grow a great deal of my own vegetables and fruit - these activities also serve as my entertainment.

While I am retired and live on my investment income, a young family could EASILY live on $60,000 per year (and save $10k per year) here... if they were willing to run the farm, half of their food and nearly half of their income could come from the farm's produce and would be a semi part time job for a stay at home parent... and running home based businesses - artisans, technicians, mechanics, carpenters - is much more productive out here, so I think commuting would not be necessary. One vehicle for the family would be sufficient.

Out in the country 10 acre farms with a 3/2 ranch house and a barn can be had for $200k to $300k in Middle Tennessee - about the cost of a history degree from Middlebury College.

All of these numbers add up to make sense FAR more than making $120k in a metro area where property taxes are $16k per year, income taxes are "progressive", the family needs 3 cars, car insurance is 3k..... and where steak, milk, and eggs comes from Publix instead of your farm

No matter where you go, there you are. Some people are miserable no matter where they are, some are happy wherever...