tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post4421676557446647754..comments2023-10-14T08:23:14.641-07:00Comments on The American Energy Crisis: Abortionistas - By The NumbersA Quaker in a Strange Landhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15425198389944137571noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-50268829257965834002012-08-28T00:36:52.573-07:002012-08-28T00:36:52.573-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Buzzingstreethttp://www.buzzingstreet.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-61339463239719240612012-08-26T17:19:40.306-07:002012-08-26T17:19:40.306-07:00And how many abortions were there before Roe vs. W...And how many abortions were there before Roe vs. Wade? Numbers aren't published but its probably the same annual rate. Infanticide occurs in every species on the planet, and has occurred in every human civilization which ever existed. There is a simple law of nature: survival is more important than reproduction. Lionesses who have a weak or injured cub will leave it to die so they can focus on the cubs which have a higher probability of survival. Pregnant bears who lack sufficient fat stores will resorb their fetuses so as to prevent pregnancy which would threaten their own survival. Check out fetal resorbtion - nature's own safe, legal abortion. Primitive hunter gatherer tribes which lacked sufficient resources will sacrifice the life of an infant to protect an older child who has a higher chance of making it to adulthood. Sadly, there will always be unwanted pregnancies and there will always be ways to get rid of them. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-7112572389873636972012-08-22T23:21:20.384-07:002012-08-22T23:21:20.384-07:00Slavery? No sale here, sorry. A man can be told th...Slavery? No sale here, sorry. A man can be told that birth control has been utilized, or even just given a BJ, but has to give up 50% of his after-tax earnings to the woman (for the child, of course, but don't you dare ask for an accounting of that money) for 18-22 years. The man has no choice in the matter, after the act of sex itself. This is considered good and proper, any avoidance of this is punished heavily.<br /><br />At the same time, the nine months for a child to be born is putting women in slavery, so much that murder of innocents is preferable? <br /><br />The only 100% effective form of birth control is abstaining from sex. If you choose to have sex, you choose the possibility of offspring. That's the legal point where choice stops for the man. It should be the same for the woman.<br /><br />tweellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08164718561825615886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-5989328309304120592012-08-22T21:44:40.558-07:002012-08-22T21:44:40.558-07:00Sigh. Your idea of libertarian appears to have ove...Sigh. Your idea of libertarian appears to have overlooked something fundamental.<br />Are you in favor of slavery?<br />That is the impression many of the radical right wing seem to give off. And abortion is one of the issues that gives that feeling to the moderates.<br /> <br />And what is the involuntary servitude of one person to another except slavery?<br />And is not a woman seving the unborn child by carrying it to term? <br />And if they can not end that servitude are they not then involuntarily bound into it? AKA are they not a slave?<br /><br />Birth control can and does fail, and rape does happen.<br /><br />I fully support multiple forms of birth control, and feel any woman who engages in intercourse without consideration of birth control should reap the rewards/penalties that that accrues. <br />But before we remove the right to end the involuntary servitude of unwanted pregnancy through abortion we should first offer an 100% reliable alternative FOR FREE, and remove the rewards for those who seek to collect our tax dollars for both abortions and for those children that they bear but cannot support.<br /><br />You are right the battle for 'pro-lifers' is lost. <br />They (you) need to turn your passion to offering an alternative to those unfortunates who do not want to be slaves -to their mistakes, or crimes perpetrated on them. <br />An artificial womb, with no right of the child to seek the birth parents, is an obtainable dream that would reduce the need for abortions to a negligible level.<br />Passionately trying to embaress pro-choicers will just get you judged as one of those radical right wingers who wants to start the process of enslaving others.<br /><br />-Grey<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-12626915767198366912012-08-22T20:53:41.052-07:002012-08-22T20:53:41.052-07:00I meant to type "horrific foreign policy"...I meant to type "horrific foreign policy" of course. <br /><br />'Silly phone over-corrected the spelling for me.<br /><br />But like Greg says, we here have not supported all that overseas killing either.<br /><br />Stephen B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-82431096111999146452012-08-21T13:05:06.588-07:002012-08-21T13:05:06.588-07:00Marshall:
Which "rightwing preachers, vatica...Marshall:<br /><br />Which "rightwing preachers, vatican bureaucrats, or bible belt politicians" raped these women and impregnated them?<br /><br />Women have the choice to say "no". To engage technology to prevent conception. To engage in alternative behaviors.<br /><br />After that killing their own child should not be a choice.<br />A Quaker in a Strange Landhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15425198389944137571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-20226150214730438282012-08-21T12:54:21.035-07:002012-08-21T12:54:21.035-07:00Marshall:
But I thank you for proving my point. ...Marshall:<br /><br /><br />But I thank you for proving my point. <br /><br />We cannot reach you. You have hardened your heart and your opinion. It is not up for debate. You do not wish to sit with me and watch the amazing 4D ultra sound technology of an abortion. And you do not want to see the dead fetus that results. <br /><br />Because to you, all of that is NOT truth.<br /><br />Truth is "choice". "And choice" just sounds better than confronting what is ACTUALLY happening to a human being with a brain, heart, spine as the scalpel enters the womb and decapitates this human.<br /><br />A Quaker in a Strange Landhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15425198389944137571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-10549896786461892372012-08-21T12:48:02.469-07:002012-08-21T12:48:02.469-07:00Marshall:
Well, I AM a blowhard... and a bit of c...Marshall:<br /><br />Well, I AM a blowhard... and a bit of cantankerous crank AND curmudgeon...<br /><br />I NEVER gave my approval for the wars and their collateral damage, capital punishment, police killing Americans involved in drugs... or ANY form of institutionalized murder/killing - not now, not ever.<br /><br />While not a perfect pacifist... I am damn close, and I include unborn children with those already born as being sacrosanct.<br />A Quaker in a Strange Landhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15425198389944137571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-2941251136247886892012-08-19T06:06:56.343-07:002012-08-19T06:06:56.343-07:00Marshall,
Nobody said anything supporting the war...Marshall,<br /><br />Nobody said anything supporting the wars and mass killing done by our country and supported by the Right wing in this United States. If anything, Greg and many of us have made many, many comments abhorring all that horrific forgiven policy in the past few years or so.<br /><br />Furthermore, just because I may disagree with a group or movement over one or more of their other positions, does not mean that I must disagree with everything.<br /><br />I said above I do not want to unleash government onto women, but I am still free to say that when women say "Don't judge me! Don't judge me, just so they can go on doing abortions because it's convenient for them, I am still free to do so.<br /><br />Damn right I'm going to judge people (women) who do something just because it's convenient, the same way I judge lots of people doing wrong things in this world just because it suits their own narrow needs, the hell with the rest of the world.<br /><br />The mere fact that abortionists don't want to talk about it and scream down others who do, is quite telling in itself.<br /><br />Regards,<br />Stephen B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-76823677226859740212012-08-18T22:45:14.904-07:002012-08-18T22:45:14.904-07:00Marshall,
When the pot calls the kettle black, th...Marshall,<br /><br />When the pot calls the kettle black, the pot is right, no matter how inconvenient that may be for the kettle.<br /><br />Also, your straw man argument is unconvincing for a multitude of reasons. Primarily because not everyone who opposes abortion supports the other things you mention, and the existential truth is independent of the speaker. In other words when some argues aginst abortion they are right to do so and it they then argue in favor of other other forms of murder they are wrong because the truth exists independently from the speaker.<br /><br />Bty, you seem to be generally aginst torture and murder, unless the victim is too young to have a voice then your cool with it. Either you are full of bull or you really need to pause to think about what you believe and why.<br /><br />Best,<br />DanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-6607553662708850512012-08-18T12:43:23.949-07:002012-08-18T12:43:23.949-07:00And what's more, Jeffords, these holier-than-t...And what's more, Jeffords, these holier-than-thou anti-abortion warriors who are so protective of life don't seem to give a crap about all kinds of other human life issues like-<br /><br />*the blockade of Iraq in the 1990s that resulted in 500,000 child deaths.<br /><br />*the death of 1,000,000 or more Iraqi civilians because of US policies in that country.<br /><br />*US drone policies that result in many civilian dead all over the ME<br /><br />*US torture and rendition policies.<br /><br />*These anti-abortion folks are the same folks who urged nuke first strikes on Russia, China, Korea, Vietnam which would have resulted in massive civilian casualties.<br /><br />*And they are the same folks who want the world turned into a nuclear fireball to herald the coming of Jesus. LOL.<br /><br />So when these haters are crying all the crocodile tears about the dead fetuses just think about the above.<br /><br />MarshallAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-30647158367399837372012-08-18T12:27:22.455-07:002012-08-18T12:27:22.455-07:00Ya know, Jeffords- it's not that women are so ...Ya know, Jeffords- it's not that women are so desperate to have abortions all the time. It's that women want to be part of the decision on their own reproductive lives and NOT have these decisions made by rightwing preachers, vatican bureaucrats, or bible belt politicians.<br /><br />And they absolutely HATE mean spirited domineering male blowhards like yourself that have a "my way or the highway" mentality toward women.<br /><br />MarshallAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-84810352803917232842012-08-16T05:24:07.856-07:002012-08-16T05:24:07.856-07:00Stephen B.
NO ONE wants to touch this. I have sen...Stephen B.<br /><br />NO ONE wants to touch this. I have sent a fair amount of correspondence to friends that work in politics... they don't know WHAT to do about this.<br /><br />But it is what it is. <br /><br />More soon.A Quaker in a Strange Landhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15425198389944137571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-64413784774630664182012-08-15T23:30:21.355-07:002012-08-15T23:30:21.355-07:00Women have been committing abortion for thousands ...Women have been committing abortion for thousands of years (the ancient Greeks cultivated tansy and knew of its properties). After all, no one has successfully mandated that all pregnancies be carried to term. However... at most it was a barely allowed option, never a condoned one like it is today.<br /><br />How do we do this, how do we kill this evil philosophy destroying our culture? This is the prime sin of feminism, the murders of 60 million innocents, and much harder to destroy than Sauron. There's no ring to throw into the volcano, the task is to right our society. Shaming, shunning and educating millions of women who's self-image depends on believing (and spreading) the lie, acknowledging that they have done evil... It needs to be done, but how?<br /><br />The only way I can see it possible is a collapse, where our culture can be rebuilt from the foundation. Are we praying now for Armageddon to come? Sigh.<br /><br />tweellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08164718561825615886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-90898729365441377442012-08-15T22:06:47.313-07:002012-08-15T22:06:47.313-07:00Seriously,
As I've read your abortion posts, ...Seriously,<br /><br />As I've read your abortion posts, I have slowly come around to the idea that abortion politics really is as significant as you portray it as. Indeed, as I think about the political opinions and likes of many women I have known, the so-called gender gap really is an abortion gap.<br /><br />Still, I think taking the gloves off as you put it will just scare the anti-abortionists of moderate heart away, and turn them off, rather than inspire them to step up and forcefully argue and vote their convictions.<br /><br />I do wish it were otherwise because, though I also am not for turning the government loose on women who obtain abortions, as you say, the evasiveness with which the abortionists deflect the issue and avoid the moral conversation ("How dare you judge me - you, you, MAN, you") is just plain childish.<br /><br />Stephen B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-78419681584545614592012-08-15T21:56:48.108-07:002012-08-15T21:56:48.108-07:00Lol,
None of us want to touch this.
Stephen B.Lol,<br /><br />None of us want to touch this.<br /><br />Stephen B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com