tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post1832346332313231022..comments2023-10-14T08:23:14.641-07:00Comments on The American Energy Crisis: The Keynesian Theory Dies in its BirthplaceA Quaker in a Strange Landhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15425198389944137571noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-79037784131794097932010-10-23T07:59:51.350-07:002010-10-23T07:59:51.350-07:00Jeffers,
I am a social conservative. Social conse...Jeffers,<br /><br />I am a social conservative. Social conservative usually denotes an individual that stands for traditional morals believing that individuals and government should encourage the promotion of these. I reject that you can enforce Christian morals on non-Christians though. This libertarian streak is as old as the church. The New Testament church did not try to change society, but individuals. In some places like Central America the Catholic Church is wholly in bed with the socialist/Marxist left. <br /><br />Encouraging families and morals has been the foundation of every just society in the history of mankind though. Institutions like marriage cannot be underestimated in the decline of civilizations. Most of the spending had almost nothing to do with any of this stuff though (promotion of traditional families, abortion, opposition of eugenics and human enhancement, euthanasia, etc). Most of the people in my church reject the government’s involvement in areas outside the constitutional bounds. But it is not the right, but the left that does not allow states to outlaw or encourage practices in their indivual states. The idea of federalism takes most of these issues and makes them local, where they should be. You don't like weed, cool pass a law in Nebraska outlawing it. You want gay marriage in California cool; don't bring it to Missouri though.<br /><br /> We would never want state control of our church, which would mean they would be censoring something. Anyways most Christians view their relationship as personal and as such reject the idea that the state can encourage "salvation".<br /><br />Now maybe you are talking about the Euro version of social conservatives that use the state for welfare. But that is much different that the American social conservative movement.Dextred1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10295971877800381681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-60578279714672626982010-10-23T07:48:38.901-07:002010-10-23T07:48:38.901-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dextred1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10295971877800381681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-47430693258097034052010-10-23T06:44:38.909-07:002010-10-23T06:44:38.909-07:00Truth hurts. :)Truth hurts. :)bureaucrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869739125758038029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-53030363359675748442010-10-23T06:12:52.220-07:002010-10-23T06:12:52.220-07:00The "social conservatives" that spent li...The "social conservatives" that spent like Democrats were worse than Democrats - we NEED an opposition party, after all.<br /><br />Bur:<br /><br />The price of oil is not really an indicator of anything right now other than where we are in the inflation/deflation tug of war.... the supply is a whole different story.<br /><br />On finances and the economy... you are the perfect example of the government bureaucrat.A Quaker in a Strange Landhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15425198389944137571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-63804490327045681132010-10-22T22:48:53.381-07:002010-10-22T22:48:53.381-07:00The tug of war between the conservatives and the r...The tug of war between the conservatives and the rinos is as old as the party. This is just a time when the conservatives have regained control of the party and it will culminate in a conservative president if not in 2012 then 2016. The country is ripe for real change. This wing has been zzzzzzz for a while. The liberal republicans (good libs and first libs, small government, etc) were the first to do this little dance in the 1870's. Then the mugwamps took a turn electing Grover Cleveland a democrat who might be a perfect example of what we need today. Probbally the most fiscally conservative president ever. Everything got all progressive for a while, then came the new deal and the republicans were destroyed only getting like 25 senate seats. It was not until Barry Goldwater in 1964 did the conservatives get back in the game. Then a another 20 yr hiatus till Reagan. We are bound for a real conservative sometime. Hopefull 2012 :) Please God!!!!!!<br /><br />PP, Thumbs upsDextred1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10295971877800381681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-57539721012901424912010-10-22T20:56:30.001-07:002010-10-22T20:56:30.001-07:00The Tea Party’s original mission was to effect cha...The Tea Party’s original mission was to effect change not start a conversation, the only person I know of that is just trying to get attention on an issue is <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4o-TeMHys0" rel="nofollow">Jimmy McMillan</a>. However, I suppose the Tea Party has accomplished more than I am giving them credit for.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04354887108778074009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-29995633294448821742010-10-22T20:41:09.374-07:002010-10-22T20:41:09.374-07:00The tea party won before this election campaigning...The tea party won before this election campaigning even began. Its early momentum took Ol' lake diving Teddies seat for repubs even if he wasn't a tea partier himself. It caused the first split in that New York race which showed how many RINOs were in the ranks and unwilling to lose gracefully and it pulled together enough previously divided factions to get some serious notice.<br /><br />How many RINOs lost in the primaries? How many began seriously changing their stances? How many people now know what dishonest crooks unions and organizations like ACORN, SEIU, etc are who didn't have a clue before?<br /><br />For years ACORN has set up a voter registration table in a local shopping mall. This year those same progressive idiots are afraid to be seen canvassing for votes. Even under a different name.<br /><br />Whether it goes the way of the dodo or not the Tea Party has motivated, unified and educated enough people that it has already won the first battle and that was to organize some real political resistance to the progressive special interest, Affirmative action, welfare alliance, feminist hacks.<br /><br />People who just rolled over and gave in now have a backbone because of the Tea Party and that is just a start.PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-76953999130094451022010-10-22T20:29:36.293-07:002010-10-22T20:29:36.293-07:00So there was some ebb and flow prior to the 1850s ...So there was some ebb and flow prior to the 1850s but now our two party system has been perfected and set in stone, never to be changed again?<br /><br />Independents <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_(voter)#The_rise_of_the_independent_voter" rel="nofollow">are 36% of the electorate</a>, over a third! Also note the rise in the UK, it seems to be a broad based shift in attitudes a hard shift in the zeitgeist if you will. These things seem to arrive at 80 year intervals all over the western world- along with depressions and world wars. The general patter is world depression followed by world war followed by massive political change going back to at least the American Revolutionary War (1775–1783)/ East Indies Campaign (1778–1783)/ Antilles War (1781-1782)/ Fourth Anglo–Dutch War (1780–1784)…Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04354887108778074009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-8994419449214679742010-10-22T19:33:13.947-07:002010-10-22T19:33:13.947-07:00I see the tea party taking us back to a much more ...I see the tea party taking us back to a much more fiscally concerned republican party. I tend to be socially conservative, but like most conservative people I understand that without economic freedom you can have no political freedom.<br /><br /> No third party has a chance, but a re-energized republican party is needed. The tea party saved the republican party from a slow death. Can they change everything by themselves? Of course not, but they can start a debate. <br /><br /> Why is everyone so dramatic now, I think we need to be honest enough to understand that expectations and reality are not usually aligned. just look at Obama!!!!!Dextred1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10295971877800381681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-57089823843325455372010-10-22T19:12:08.891-07:002010-10-22T19:12:08.891-07:00The Tea party started out as a reform movement but...The Tea party started out as a reform movement but then the GOP started worrying about them, after first ridiculing them. the establishment has somewhat embraced and sought to lead them. Now they are looking like a sad joke with pinhead palin as their leader and we have the GOP and the Tea Party in an unloving embrace as they seek to either reform or use each other. The problem I see is that change is badly needed and one way or another we will get it. By diluting the Tea, the establishment has only ensured that another more radical group will emerge. Eventually we will get a group radical enough that establishmentarians will not touch it; moreover it will be the only game in town aside from the known shafting at the hands of TPTB, so it will get support. “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”- John F. Kennedy <br /><br />Neither the NSDAP nor the Bolsheviks were very popular, they were simply the only viable alternative to the untenable status quo. Perhaps Winston Churchill best explained sentiment behind their rise when he stated. “If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.” The enemy of my enemy and all that…Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04354887108778074009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-20966547163313064532010-10-22T19:03:39.780-07:002010-10-22T19:03:39.780-07:00Crybaby,
I ask this sincerly, did you go to the h...Crybaby,<br /><br />I ask this sincerly, did you go to the huffington post and use their printouts to light up a fatty and make youself that F**king stupid? You are a Rambling Wreck, try to make some damn sense next time. ThanksDextred1https://www.blogger.com/profile/10295971877800381681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-81779670341563322572010-10-22T18:42:36.138-07:002010-10-22T18:42:36.138-07:00I think Bur is right for once; Crude is going to g...I think Bur is right for once; Crude is going to go down a bit, at least for a while.Danhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04354887108778074009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-24923102514449612212010-10-22T17:58:01.539-07:002010-10-22T17:58:01.539-07:00To the Tea Party:
Its over before it began. Becau...To the Tea Party: <br />Its over before it began. Because there is no tea party. They are Republicans in drag. Who are they kidding? It was over the minute <br />O'Donnell declared that she is not a witch. She would have done better admitting that she is a witch. Because all witches aren't old and ugly. Some witches are young and beautiful. And then there are the bitchy witches who can't even be elected Governor of a state after spending $140 million because she is so obnoxious.<br />Most people in this country are afraid of single party control. If there are four or five tea partiers in Washington they won't be able to accomplish anything because Obama will veto anything they propose.And it will guarantee that Obama gets reelected because people are afraid of anything too radical and afraid of the Republicans controlling the Presidency and the WHite HOuse. <br /><br />So, tea partiers: party on spending your masters' money. The party will soon be over.Crybabynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-56577043064166578032010-10-22T14:59:42.514-07:002010-10-22T14:59:42.514-07:00Bur
Nope there isn't any group holding up tra...Bur<br /><br />Nope there isn't any group holding up transportation in the US. Still who says they won't? Just like in France there is plenty until there isn't.<br /><br />As for your tax the rich idea I am sure they have money but having it and the government being able to get to it before other matters cause issues like those in France are two very different things. Even if the rich have enough extra to not kill the economy when taken there is no way they are going to hand it over and they can put up enough of a fight that it really won't be worth while. Thats why the government always goes after the little guys first.PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-75226076672954525312010-10-22T12:36:58.948-07:002010-10-22T12:36:58.948-07:00The rich are doing just fine ...
http://timiacono...The rich are doing just fine ...<br /><br />http://timiacono.com/<br />index.php/2010/10/22/<br />good-news-the-rich-<br />are-doing-better/bureaucrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869739125758038029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-88795413182207018802010-10-22T11:04:25.577-07:002010-10-22T11:04:25.577-07:00Pioneer,
An excellent point, and this country als...Pioneer,<br /><br />An excellent point, and this country also does not have a lot of surplus oil products ready to replace a cutoff for more than a month. But I think you will agree that there isn't anyone holding up the oil products in THIS country ... yet. :)bureaucrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869739125758038029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-38005084978876205882010-10-22T11:02:42.417-07:002010-10-22T11:02:42.417-07:00Jeffers,
Hopefully you are teaching your kids and...Jeffers,<br /><br />Hopefully you are teaching your kids and your animals the following common sense truths ..<br /><br />1) The American (and European)people are hugely supportive of their government programs (the top 5 at least) that they THINK they hate so much. The U.S, is a socialist country already, considering all we spend on medical care, pensions and transpotation. And socialism costs.<br /><br />2) These programs cost lots of money<br /><br />3) You can borrow for those programs for awhile, but not forever.<br /><br />4) No point trying to get blood out of turnip and trying to tax people that have no money.<br /><br />5) So what is left: tax people more who have money.<br /><br />6) The rich start crying they don't have any more money, and promptly jump in their BMWs for tennis "at the club" before going to Charlie Trotters restaurant and dropping $900 for dinner for 3 (I actually paid that one year).<br /><br />So, we can continue this delusion, and blame oil and everything else, but that is the truth of it. Popular programs require money, and if the stupid Chinese don't want to buy any more bonds, someone has to pay for it.<br /><br />Ask the pigs. I'll bet they understand. Pigs are smart. :)bureaucrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869739125758038029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-4439327427681826872010-10-22T10:14:40.247-07:002010-10-22T10:14:40.247-07:00Bur:
Wasn't talking about gasoline supplies.....Bur:<br /><br />Wasn't talking about gasoline supplies... I was talking about the impact of cash confiscation of the rich - otherwise known as taxes...<br /><br />See, we have this economy here... and the economy has no idea who you or I am/are. None. It only knows numbers. If the government takes 1 dime in taxes in excess of what the economy can support - and by mathematical necessity that will come from the "rich" - then the economy will develop anemia. If you take $1 Trillion too much, the economy would not even make it the end of the quarter...<br /><br />What you are reading is propaganda.A Quaker in a Strange Landhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15425198389944137571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-11919650871311340592010-10-22T08:42:20.838-07:002010-10-22T08:42:20.838-07:00Ya know Bur the gas stations were full in France a...Ya know Bur the gas stations were full in France a week ago. The next day they weren't.<br /><br />It can happen damned fast me thinks.PioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-55259762844733356232010-10-22T08:06:56.455-07:002010-10-22T08:06:56.455-07:00Jeffers,
Your day will come, and your farm will i...Jeffers,<br /><br />Your day will come, and your farm will indeed be a good place to be.<br /><br />But my posts are just a reminder that it can take a LOOOONNNNGGGG time for many economic/financial problems to gestate.<br /><br />You still haven't agreed that the world isn't even close to coming to an end -- the grocery stores and gas stations are full, we are awash in everything due to overproduction earlier this decade, government debt continues to be bought by pretty much everyone, natural gas just hit a low at $3/million BTUs, and on and on ...<br /><br />I was storing non-perishable food in my basement in 2007 thinking shortages were just around the corner. If anyone is learning anything from this blog, it is that it takes a LONG time for some of these themes to make you any money, or save your .. butt. Think of the fools buying oil at $147 in 2008 hoping to make a killing.<br /><br />When I have facts wrong, let me know. I dare you. I dare your barnyard animals too. :)bureaucrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869739125758038029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-12473734185292024152010-10-22T05:02:31.541-07:002010-10-22T05:02:31.541-07:00Bur:
I cannot debate economics with you... you si...Bur:<br /><br />I cannot debate economics with you... you simply don't grasp it.A Quaker in a Strange Landhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15425198389944137571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-70611246243738022822010-10-21T18:00:22.035-07:002010-10-21T18:00:22.035-07:00Greg
I hope you're right in the end and it is ...Greg<br />I hope you're right in the end and it is justa stream of political fights but I am just not sure. You are right about the repubs and I believe so many tea party supporters are really just libertarians at heart that perhaps that faction will grow.<br /><br />The most important welfare at the moment is unemployment if that stops we could see some serious issues. Yet general welfare and food stamps are running a close second.<br /><br />Until we know where the cutting knife is going to finally fall we cannot predict what will come. So it is still a watch and wait game.<br /><br />CheersPioneerPreppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09269878017447335944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-39571358662227145742010-10-21T17:28:50.023-07:002010-10-21T17:28:50.023-07:00Bill, there is lots of money out there amongst the...Bill, there is lots of money out there amongst the top 20% of income earners and the superrich. I'm one of them (the upper 20%), and I have quite a bit of surplus after I pay the necessaries. I'm sure you are all aware that corporate income taxation in the U.S. has nearly fallen to zero because of all the tax breaks American corps get. Not to mention the tax breaks for the rich: in Illinois, both U.S. Senate candidate Gianoulias and governor candidate Bill Brady are millionaires who paid ZERO Federal income tax last year.<br /><br />The federal debt is actually $13.67 trillion today, but that really doesn't say anything. Tax the rich ... you're gonna have to anyway. You get a lot for your Federal taxes. Would you rather live in Africa?bureaucrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03869739125758038029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-49313867537227984542010-10-21T16:01:03.955-07:002010-10-21T16:01:03.955-07:00Bill:
Don't worry about unfunded liabilities....Bill:<br /><br />Don't worry about unfunded liabilities... we have no intention, and no means, of paying them... we will pull a de facto default... but not on the Treasury debt - that would be suicide for the Republic.<br /><br />Long Live the Republic!A Quaker in a Strange Landhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15425198389944137571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-99704500378481622.post-74298268332232645532010-10-21T15:58:39.078-07:002010-10-21T15:58:39.078-07:00pioneer cont....
though we are a two party system...pioneer cont....<br /><br />though we are a two party system with proper opposition, what is coming will require cooperation not seen since December of 1941... <br /><br />Th Left and the RINO's MUST surrender, the libertarians need to seize the political apparatus of the Republican party and the Dems simply must get a grip on economics and human nature... <br /><br />My bet is that this will NOT come to pass, and that we will go thru several "vote the bums out" Tea Parties, Coffee Parties, Frapachino Parties, mostly de-caf parties, whatever parties... and in the end it will be the international bond market that forces the issue.<br /><br />But we CAN hope. And b*tch, and complain...A Quaker in a Strange Landhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15425198389944137571noreply@blogger.com